"It's fascinating and very rewarding, frankly." 💰 How 105(l) Leases Are Transforming in Indian Country with Geoff Strommer

The 105(l) lease program has become one of the most transformative funding mechanisms available to Tribal Nations—but it's widely misunderstood. This episode, REDW National Tribal Practice Leader Wes Benally sits down with Geoff Strommer, partner at Hobbs Straus Dean Walker, to demystify this critical provision of the Indian Self-Determination Act.

Despite the name, 105(l) "leases" aren't leases at all in the traditional sense—they're funding agreements that enable Tribes to receive resources for maintaining, repairing, and even constructing healthcare and administrative facilities. Geoff, who litigated the landmark Maniilaq cases that established Tribes' rights to fully funded 105(l) agreements, shares the fascinating journey from dormant statutory provision to nearly $1 billion in total lease value across Indian Country.

Learn about the three compensation methodologies, how Tribes are using projected 105(l) revenue to finance major new construction projects, and what barriers (and opportunities) exist in this evolving landscape.

Chapters

• 00:00 - Introduction and Geoff’s Background in Tribal Law
• 02:44 - What Are 105(l) Leases? Breaking Down the Basics
• 06:46 - The Landmark Maniilaq Litigation Cases
• 16:19 - Establishing Mandatory Lease Requirements
• 17:15 - Three Compensation Methodologies Explained
• 24:34 - Barriers and Negotiation Issues
• 28:44 - Congressional Appropriations and Future Sustainability
• 31:31 - Looking Forward: Financing New Facilities

Takeaways

• 105(l) leases are funding agreements, not traditional leases—the federal government transfers funds to Tribes for facility maintenance and operations
• The Maniilaq litigation established that 105(l) leases are mandatory, not discretionary, and must be fully funded
• Three compensation methodologies exist: fair market appraisal, hybrid appraisal, and cost reimbursement
• Nearly $1 billion in total 105(l) lease value has been achieved across Indian Country in recent years
• Tribes are now using projected 105(l) revenue streams to finance new construction projects, transforming the facilities landscape

From Legal Right to Financial Reality
Geoff and his team at Hobbs Straus Dean Walker establish the legal framework for 105(l) leases—REDW helps you put that framework into action. Our 638 Healthcare Transition Support team guides Tribes through self-governance transitions, while our Advisory & Accounting specialists help you document costs, prepare lease proposals, and build financial packages that leverage 105(l) revenue streams for new facility construction. Ready to turn 105(l) opportunities into reality?

Reach out to learn how we can help you maximize available resources. 

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